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Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.13 16:19:01 -
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Removing links completely from game is the best case scenario, but of course it will not happen because they've already been in game for too long so people think they are somehow necessary for the game even though they are actually completely unnecessary.
Putting links on grid is a bad idea because it won't change much other than soloers won't be able to bring their T3s with them (they could but it would be much riskier and more difficult). Fleets would still have links the majority of the time so the problem would be practically unchanged.
Putting links on KMs is actually a good idea because killboards are good for one thing only and that is intel, so that would be a useful change for sure. But that by itself is not nearly enough, and weapon and suspect timers do next to nothing because you can just sit in safe spot and cloak and the problem remains practically unchanged.
Links must be removed from game, or nerfed into the ground. Or, altered in such a way that they have a dynamic role that requires active participation, but still nerfed because their bonuses are over-powered pieces of crap. |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.14 13:41:10 -
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Cearain wrote: I know op said that people beat to death whether ogb is good or bad. But I had actually never heard that ogb must stay otherwise logi won't be as effective. That Crosi would argue that as a reason to keep ogb just shows how differently he views the game.
Can't help but feel that he wants links to stay so he can fly around in zero tank Garmur and kill noobs. Logis don't have anything to do with it, if links were removed today they would be fine. Links make everything better not just logis. They're seriously the dumbest part of this game. Remove them and worst case scenario you have to buff logistics afterwards. It would still be better in the long run. |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.14 15:29:50 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:
Dude, you do know there are links that increase your resists and remount reps, right? I guess those would have nothing to do with the effectiveness of Logi, eh? In fact, information links allow Logi to lock quicker and provide a boost to the ECCM mods. Skirmish links reduce Logi sig radius making them harder to hit, and increase their AB/MWD speed so they can better keep up with the fleet. Yeah, links make Logi super effective. So much so, that most Incursion fleets won't run without them.
You all continue to look at this in the realm of "solo" pvp in FW. You seem to forget that OGBs are used by miners, mission runners, and Incursioners. So in your quest to fix your way of playing the game, you seem to be leaving out everyone else.
Links make everything stupidly effective, like, to the point of being ridiculous and over powered.
Just because links make things easier, does not mean that they are required.
Removing links, or mercilessly nerfing them, would not only fix solo PvP, it would fix PvP throughout all areas of the game. If you think that links are required use for any part of this game, you're seriously mistaken. |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.14 18:59:47 -
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I understand what you're saying, Estella. I've always said that "solo" PvP is just a myth, because any PvP by definition requires at least two players in participation to qualify as PvP. You can't PvP all by yourself. Of course, when people say "solo PvP", what they mean is just a lone player fighting against other player(s). (usually outnumbered, against The Blob, etc)
All you've done just now is taken a couple words of what I said and attacked it out of context. There is no fixing solo PvP because solo PvP does not need fixing, it is alive and well and one of the greatest aspects of this game. Overall PvP in general is very good, there are problems with ship balance (as always, various ships are above, various ships are below) but overall it's decent.
The one big problem in Eve PvP is OGBs. All aspects of Eve would benefit from nerfing OGBs. Well, maybe Incursions would be a little tougher, maybe Incursions need fixing anyway, but OGBs are terrible and everyone knows it. The change is coming. |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.14 19:50:14 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Im not saying they wont adapt. Im saying that a few solo players get a better experience. And a large number of guys that play for fleet content have a worse experience. If they were changed in such a way like what Suitonia suggested don't you think that would be pretty close to a "best of all worlds" situation? |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.23 22:25:33 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:You mistake me. I disregard solo pvp for the inconsequential combat that it is. people choosing to go solo then complaining about how hard it is are embarrassing.
Links enable wider viability of various tactics and doctrines at the fleet level. They also allow for larger fights with logi without fleet members being arbitrarily deleted from field. The amount of bullshit you make up because you want to keep your links is hilarious |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.24 00:05:20 -
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It just seems like every time you post facts, you twist them until they are totally disfigured in order to make it sound like links are a good thing.
I'm not an expert but that's what it looks like when I read these posts. |
Ares Desideratus
Minmatar Brotherhood Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2015.10.29 14:18:23 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Aye, my booster main needs his recognition. Its upsetting that my pvp alt gets all the glory/hate. It's funny cause it's true. Just dump some money into a second account and get insane over powered bonuses in pvp today! People are just butthurt because they chose to fly at a disadvantage lol. |
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